Tag Archives: Walsall

More from the August 1968 ‘Mercian’ Turner’s Asbestos Cement Co. Ltd ‘Asbestos’ Hawthorn Leslie 2780 of 1909

More from the August 1968 ‘Mercian’

 Turner’s Asbestos Cement Co. Ltd ‘Asbestos’

Hawthorn Leslie 2780 of 1909

 By Gerald Wildish

 asbestos at trafford park 2At Trafford Park

Many of you will by now have seen our splendid new locomotive.  Two years ago exactly to the day that she left Trafford Park, I first found ‘Asbestos’ – 15th June 1966.  She was not working on that particular occasion and had been specially hauled out of the shed for me and put in a photographic position.  She appeared in excellent condition.  On the occasion of my visit I learnt that she was likely to finish working that September, and I duly put in a bid for the RPS.  I was informed that the Society’s interest had been noted.

A little over a year later a letter arrived from Turner’s asking me if I would care to bid for the engine – I made an offer of £50, and shortly afterwards received a telephone call informing me that a scrap merchant had offered £100 – we could have her if we could reach that figure.  By this time we were in October and I was already engaged in trying to raise funds for the Neilson.  My reply said that if they could hold the locomotive until after our Christmas raffle, we would do our best, but I did not hold out a great deal of hope.  Considering all things, the raffle was a success, but we did not raise the sums necessary to allow us to move in two directions and I informed the Company that we would have to let her go.

My surprise could not have been greater, when Mr. Francis, the manager of the buying department, rang me to say that we could have ‘Asbestos’ free of charge.  Without doubt this was one of the happiest days of my life.  I made arrangements to go to Trafford Park to arrange the handover and had an excellent morning.  The handover was arranged for a date three weeks later when the presentation plaque could be fixed to the locomotive.

I could not have been dealing with nicer people throughout the negotiations, right from the time of my first visit to the works.  Our thanks must go to Mr. A.H.Wailes, the Works Director, Mr. T.Noble, the Purchasing Director, Mr. T.N.Chadwick, the Works Manager, who also arranged for the locomotive to be ‘done up’ for us during the week before the handover, to Mr. W.D.Francis, the Purchasing Manager, who dealt with most of the negotiations and Mr. S.McCormick.

Little is known of the history of ‘Asbestos’.  She was built by Hawthorn Leslie in 1909, for the Washington Chemical Co. in County Durham, where she became No.2, along with two other Hawthorn Leslies and a Fox Walker engine.  A further Hawthorn Leslie was added in 1918, and presumably replaced the Fox Walker.  In 1920, the Company became part of the Turner and Newall group.

In 1933, two of the locomotives were transferred to the Turner’s Asbestos Cement Company works at Trafford Park, becoming ‘Turnall’ and ‘Asbestos’.  Turnall was scrapped in 1965, leaving ‘Asbestos’ with two diesel locomotives (Planets).  ‘Asbestos’ was placed in store as the reserve engine in 1966 and presented to the RPS on 25th May of this year(1968);  she was transferred to Chasewater on 15th June, and started work in revenue service eight days later.

7423 B-Hills West 20-6-09

Brownhills West 2009

More Archived Material

Chasewater Railway Museum

More Archived Material

Some Chasewater Railway tickets, produced for Gala Days and other special occasions at the Railway, preserved by David Bathurst, including some with the old Neilson logo.

More Interesting Items – This time from another of our senior members

Some More Interesting Items

This time from Nigel Canning

Nigel’s had a bit of a clear out and found some more stuff of interest to the museum – this time in the form of posters and flyers from the 1980s and 1990s, some on card, others on paper.  These will be added to the Chasewater Railway Archives.

Thanks very much Nigel – we can always find homes for more!

Chasewater Railway Museum – Another New Item

Chasewater Railway Museum

Another New Item

DSCF9035

A Signal Box diagram from Rushall, near Walsall, acquired by the curator at a local auction sale.

It is framed, approximately 28″x 16″.

It is dated 1978, which would have been about the time automatic barriers were installed.

The line the box served was the Walsall to Lichfield line (LNWR – LMS) – formerly Dudley to Wychnor of the  South Staffordshire Railway

Chasewater Railway Museum – A couple of New Items

Chasewater Railway Museum

A couple of New Items

Chasewater Miniature Railway

When going through some old Chasewater Railway magazines I came across a reference to a miniature railway at Chasewater (I believe that it ran by the Innovation Centre).  A number of members had heard of it or seen it but no-one had a photo of it.  I asked Peter Bryant of Miniature Railway World, and he in turn, asked Dave Holroyde, miniature railway historian, and the following is his reply:

“The line ran from c1971 -76. I don’t have any photos of it.

 Motive power was D7023 4w-4PM Cromar White 1971 New, sold 6/79 (The Hymek you mention in text below). This then went to Pleasurewood Hills Theme Park before being sold to Ireland in the mid 1980s, and it hasn’t been seen since!

 There was also an 0-4-0T (details unknown) and BEDFORD SCHOOL 4-4-0 J & W Gower 1934, now with privately owned in Hertfordshire. This arrived c1971 and was sold by 4/75.”

It was operated for a while by members of the Chasewater Railway, starting in summer 1975 and ,as far as I am aware, continuing in 1976.
The basic information I have states:
“The Chasewater Miniature Railway is a 7 and a quarter inch gauge railway.  Rolling stock consists of three carriages, each carrying four passengers.  The locomotive is petrol driven with a scaled down ‘Hymek’ outline body”
The line was wholly owned by Walsall Metro-Borough Council.

On 23rd June the museum was given part of a collection of items from the late David Ives, one of the founder members of the Railway Preservation Society, and for some years an officer of the Chasewater Railway.  This is the second part that we have received from his son Robert and on sorting through these items our Curator, Barry Bull, came across a newspaper cutting from a local paper dated 1974.

It’s been a while coming but at last we have some idea of what it was like – and the problems they faced!!

Min Railway

Another item found was a post card, believed to be of the old Hednesford Railway Station with an LNWR bus waiting outside.

H-Ford bus Post card

Chasewater Bits & Pieces – Also included in other reports 1968 Vol.1 No.3. 42.2 The complete Stocklist

Chasewater Bits & Pieces

Also included in other reports 1968 Vol.1 No.3. 42.2

The complete Stocklist

Peckett Lance from WarringtonPeckett – 1823/1931

Stocklist 1968 1Stocklist 1968 2Peckett - Ian Smith SheffieldPeckett – Lance No. 1038/19096

Museum Archive – Additions to our coal mining memorabilia

Museum Archive

Additions to our coal mining memorabilia

As you are no doubt aware, without the coal industry there would be no Chasewater Railway, as the original line was built  for transporting coal, although passenger services were introduced from Brownhills to Aldridge via Walsall Wood.  We are always glad to receive artefacts from the mining industry to display in the Museum.

Baths Invitation

The latest of such items to come our way are an invitation to the opening of the Pithead Baths at Wyrley No. 3 Colliery, Great Wyrley, on August 14th, 1954, and The Bather’s Handbook.

Handbook 1

Handbook 2

Handbook 3

Handbook 4

Handbook 5

Handbook 6

These items came to the Museum from a former employee of the Colliery, his first job after National Service with the RAF.

David Ives’ Chairman’s Notes, 1968. Plus a list of jobs to do !!

David Ives’ Chairman’s Notes, 1968.

Plus a list of jobs to do !!

From the Chairman’s Notes 1968 Vol.1 No.3.

5512 - Neilson with 4-plank wagon Chasewater 

The Society is now passing through a difficult stage, this is common with individual members, indeed the country as a whole, is suffering from a severe depression with the economic climate.  The loan for our museum building has now been deferred, may we hope for better tidings later in the year?  We are, however, most grateful to members who are coming forward with loans to cover the cost of the museum compound.  Once this compound has been erected and the track into it laid, we should have two of the locomotives installed in the compound and ready for steaming.  The target date is late June and should not prove too difficult, if help, both financial and practical, is immediately forthcoming.  Your committee is working extremely hard, both on administration and practical work.  I therefore appeal to all members to back the committee and so push the work along faster.  A colossal amount of work has to be done this summer.  I am going to itemise the list of vehicles which require immediate attention.

All the locomotives at Chasewater require attention, painting, de-rusting, etc.

D. A. Ives.

Action Needed

Chasewater Railway Museum From the 1968 magazine 1.3 The Chasewater Report

Chasewater Railway Museum

From the 1968 magazine 1.3

Cover 1968 1.3

The Chasewater Report

At last we have permission to start the compound, I hope work will commence within the next month as so much depends on getting this site ready for steaming of locomotives this summer.  I think it is most important that we make an effort to attract the general public.

New arrivals this summer (all being well) will be a bolster wagon from Holly Bank and the Midland Railway crane from the Hednesford depot.

5527 - Neilson with MR CraneThe Neilson with the Midland Crane

We hope during May, the Neilson from Glasgow and a Hawthorn Leslie from Manchester will have arrived, and there is also a likelihood of two salt wagons from Sandbach, Cheshire; and providing suitable transport can be found at a reasonable cost, the Manchester, Sheffield and Lincoln coach and the South Eastern and Chatham Railway brake from the Derwent valley should also be here by the late summer.  (There was an appeal for £400 for the transport costs later in the magazine.)

Track clearing is still making steady progress, although there have been one or two setbacks, e.g.  the extensive re-packing of the point at the south end of the passing loop, due to the continual burning of the bank; the work has now been successful.  The latest bit of vandalism as you no doubt have read was the removal of three lengths of track from the north end of the line by people of low moral character (I would have expressed it somewhat differently! Starts with a ‘b’ and ends with an ‘s’!), resulting in the derailment of the tool van and the flat wagon.  This has now been completely relaid.

During the next two months a total of 1053 feet of track has to be lifted and relaid on the compound site, as you will no doubt gather this will require a great deal of hard work by the Chasewater working party to meet the deadline, and we would appreciate very much the appearance of members whom we have not seen so far.

Due to the rapid expansion of the relics at both Hednesford and Chasewater, I think the need arises in the centralisation of work at these two depots.  There is a strong case for forming various departments i.e. loco footplate crews, signalling department fitters and permanent way staff.  If anyone has any ideas on the above departments, please let Frank Harvey or myself know.

Laurence Hopkins.

 5505 - MSL Coach

Hednesford Depot

This article was written as an appreciation of the work done at Chasewater and Hixon towards getting the Chasewater site and loco ready for steaming later this year (1968).

But it also asked for more work to be done at Hednesford, as the state of the Travelling Post Office and the Royal Saloon was giving rise to some concern.  Mr. Siberry was asking for a weekend in May to concentrate on painting these two items.

5497 - Coach No. M809M 1

Museum news and a new arrival.

Museum news and a new arrival.

Among the visitors to the Museum on Monday, 27th May was our old friend Ron Bradbury, Chairman of Burntwood Council and also Chairman of the SCAMP miners’ memorial project.

OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERAHe has generously given the Museum a copy of the book published by the Burntwood Chase Heritage Group for the Archive/Reference section.

DSCF9054The book will be on sale for a while in the Museum, price £8.00.  As previously mentioned on facebook – May 16th, the memorial will be unveiled on June 8th at 2.00pm.

Opening Poster copy